The Question Of Good And Evil And How It Informs Governance

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By HSchneider

The Question of Good and Evil and How it Informs Governance

I recently began revisiting a question I dealt with several months ago in my Hub "Musings On The Meaning Of Life". The question is "What is the nature of good and evil?" It is a dilemma that I have examined on and off dating back to a college philosophy course I took in 1977. Different events over the years have caused my reexaminations. Personal events had heretofore influenced these introspections. This time it was different. I was attempting to get my arms around why there were such diametrically opposed political views on almost every issue facing the United States. Why did our politics become so polarized? Everyone seems to see every issue in black and white, right and wrong, or good and evil terms. This realization brought me back to the question of the nature of good and evil. In this article I will again offer my analysis of this question and I will expand upon it. There are of course examples of absolute or close to absolute goods and evils in both individual conduct and governmental action. Yet there is also so much fertile ground in the middle of these two extremes where most actions fall. I will examine the three major categories of governmental actions and how this question of the nature of good and evil informs them. These categories are national defense and homeland security, the administration of justice and maintenance of civil order, and government social protection. This final function is currently the moost controversial and divisive. I will strive to show where different actions in these three governmental categories fall on my scale of good and evil and why. I will also discuss my personal vision of good governmental actions in these categories. I have performed this exercise because I feel that it is essential for a person to reconcile one's own morality with his or her own vision of the proper roles of governance. I hope this sparks similar considerations for those who read this as well as some healthy and much needed debates on the important questions of our time.

My primary definition of good that I described in my earlier Hub stated that an action is good if it advances oneself or society without hurting someone else or society. Evil is the purposeful hurting of someone else or society for one's own gain or amusement. I also stated that simply going about one's life optimizing one's own good without regard to the damage caused to others is an evil life. I believe that these definitions hold true for governments also. Government should attempt to create an environment that promotes the most good for the most people. Winning in the marketplace and other areas is good. But that does not mean that governments should also ignore those that lose in the same marketplace and are left without basic human goods and needs. My belief is that government should ensure a fair and safe playing field in the marketplace. The key though in judging how good a government operates is in how it protects all of its citizens and ensures that they have their basic needs met. In other words, a government should and must protect its people, provide justice and order, and maintain fairness in commerce and society. This is the minimum that I believe a government should provide to its people. What it provides beyond this will determine how good or great that government is. What it provides below this point will in my estimation determine how bad that government functions and in extreme cases how evil they are. Let me now expand upon this in the three main categories of government that I have listed.

I would like to begin with the primary function of all national governments of the world. This is national defense and homeland security. These functions exist to protect a nation's citizens from any external threats to their country. There is no dispute that this is a necessary and proper function of government. Differences arise as to how this should be carried out and how a nation should respond to different national security threats. Everyone agrees that it is a good and vital action to defend against a nation or force that militarily attacks your country. This governmental defensive response would be on the totally good side of my good and evil scale. What about a preemptive action against a neighboring country that is drastically building up its military? Is this a good and just action or is it an evil one? The keys to assessing this are in the details. If the threat is imminent and totally lethal such as with nuclear weapons, then it certainly could be a good and justified act. If no diplomacy and negotiation has been conducted or attempted during this buildup then the action may be less justified and thus less good. A government would be considered to be evil if they simply invaded another country to acquire their resources, wealth, or for any other reason that did not constitute genuine national defense. The best example of this was Hitler's Nazi Germany. Other examples are Stalin's Soviet Union and Pol Pot's Cambodia where both dictators massacred millions of their own citizens. We can also measure a nation's diplomatic stances and actions in the same way. A government that promotes its country as a benevolently involved world neighbor and acts as a good friend around the world promoting peace and prosperity is higher on the scale towards being a very good foreign policy actor. A government that chooses to keep its country totally out of world affairs is neutral on my scale. One that stirs up trouble amongst other nations is further away from good and closer to evil depending on the extent of these malevolent actions. The United States has made great strides under the Obama Administration in moving farther along towards a very good grade in its foreign policy stances and actions in my view. They have intensified their diplomacy around the world and are no longer ignoring the concerns of other nations. The United Nations action in Libya is an excellent example of this. The U.S. joined this action after intensive debates amongst the Arab League and the the U.N.'s Security Council. The United States spent much time marshalling forces for this concerted multinational effort. This action was announced and undertaken for the expressed purpose of protecting the Libyan people from attacks on them by the Qaddafi government forces. The Obama Administration has taken major steps to steer the U.S. away from the neoconservative policy of saber rattling to produce diplomatic results. The diplomatic corps is now in the ascendacy where negotiations come first with military power being held in abeyance as talks move forward. President Teddy Roosevelt's "Speak softly but carry a big stick" policy is wisely guiding current American foreign policy.

Now let me turn to the administration of the criminal and civil justice systems and the maintenance of societal order. A government must perform these functions efficiently and fairly or the society will malfunction. Civil order depends heavily on government successfully administering in these areas. The criminal and civil justice systems of a government are expected to be fair and consistent to all parties regardless of race, religion, class, gender, sexuality, or any other classification. All local, state, and federal law enforcement departments are expected to keep order in their jurisdictions and to not show preference to one group over another. They are supposed to live by the motto that "Justice is color blind". Those that target and arrest ethnic minorities and the poor to the relative exclusion of all others are failing their communities. Thus they are closer to evil than good on my scale in this category depending on the extent of this discrimination. This also holds true for the criminal and civil courts. Courts that hand out more severe sentences to one group as opposed to another for the same crime are further away from good on my scale than courts that pass out equal sentences. The results of inequalities of court administration and law enforcement manifest themselves by way of unrest in that community. Order is subsequently disrupted and trust in the system greatly diminishes. Law and order subsequently breaks down and the system becomes much less effective. It becomes evil when discrimination within the criminal and civil justice administrations becomes rampant and systemic.

How do we measure a government in regards to its social programs? Of course people have greatly varying views on this subject. Many people feel government should provide no social safety net at all for its citizens. This governmental function illicits much more controversy and disagreement than the other two functions previously described. My personal definition of a good action is one that enhances one's own self or society. My definition of good governmental action in this category would be extended to help prevent and also remediate its citizens' losses of basic goods and needs. These include lack of food, shelter, education, and healthcare. These are the most important and basic human needs though not the only ones. Most of us measure our personal feeling of good and self worth through the assistance we provide to family, friends, co-workers, church, and charities. I believe the same can be similarly projected on to our governments. A government that provides law and order and preserves free markets and contracts is highly efficient. But is it good if that efficiency causes some of its citizens who lose in the marketplace to suffer alone? A government should ensure and provide all of its citizens with access to their basic needs at least at a minimum level. This level of social protection would give that government good grades for the providing to its citizens. This does not mean that government needs to provide luxury for the disadvantaged. They should attempt to provide a path to personal independence for these down on their luck citizens. This could be through education, job placement, and transportation assistance to name a few. A government that allows its citizenry to fend for themselves in a "survival of the fittest" manner in my mind is close to evil. Most people's vision of social protection governing lies between these two extremes. Generally one's own perception of good and evil will determine your vision of how government should operate in this area.

Why would I engage in this exercise of reconciling my personal morality with the morality that I expect from my governments? I believe that everyone should examine their beliefs about what constitutes good and evil. I also believe we must be consistent with these beliefs when we select our political leaders. We should vote for politicians who reflect these beliefs and will carry them out in the administration of their office. Some leaders may govern better in one of these areas than in the others. Is this because they are inconsistent or is it because you are inconsistent in your views? It is essential that we examine our moral beliefs closely so that we are able to accurately make this determination. For example, strict Libertarians such as Ron and Rand Paul, stress individual freedoms and limiting government to performing only essential functions. They want government to stay out of American lives as much as possible. They are opposed to the Iraq and Afghanistan Wars. They believe in only defending our borders from attackers and not engaging in distant wars. They also believe in legalizing many currently illegal conducts such as illegal drug use and prostitution. Their belief is that government has no business criminalizing actions that do not harm anyone else in the society. They would also eliminate most, if not all, social programs. They believe that it is the individual's responsibility for taking care of themselves. Government should stay out of it as part of their system of individual liberty. These are consistent Libertarian views across the governmental spectrum. My views are mostly opposed to them but I do admire their honesty and consistency. I do not admire their lack of compassion for the downtrodden. I also believe strongly in individual liberty as long as others are not being hurt in its exercise. I also do not believe that we are islands unto ourselves. We are a community. Government cannot be an island unto itself either. It must care and provide for all of its citizens no matter their circumstances. We are all responsible for others in our communities. The governments that we elect are charged by us to carry out this responsibility. This social compact has been developed through legislation by our elected leaders over the past eighty years. We also require government to keep order and execute justice fairly. This is because our elected government is the government of all of us and not just the privileged class. Our social compact relies on this fairness because otherwise government becomes illegitimate and society begins to break apart. Our government must also protect us from foreign enemies but that is not the full extent of our proper foreign policy. They must conduct effective, respectful, and collegial diplomacy amongst the other nations of the world. We as individuals do the same amongst our friends, colleagues, neighbors, and our community as a whole. Solid respect and admiration in the world community begets us tremendous influence and prestige in the world. We are then able as a nation to preserve our national security in a much more effective and proactive manner. A strong military is important as a last resort and an impetus for other countries to support us. Friendly and truly cooperative relations though is our most important national security tool.

To sum up, my vison of governmental actions in all categories reflects my nature of good and evil view. I consider an individual to be most truly good when he or she uses their individual liberty to maximize their own good in concert with maximizing the good of their entire community. A government must do the same to achieve a maximum good grade in my opinion. It must protect all of its citizens while also being fair to all. The government must also ensure that the basic needs of its citizens are met. Our government foreign policy must portray us as a good global neighbor just as we aspire to being good community neighbors. This way far fewer nations will look to attack us and our prestige will grow. This is similarly true in our own communities. I hope my reflections have been consistent and clear. This is an exercise that I intend to continually reflect upon and revise where I find it necessary. No one is perfect. Besides, events and experience help to broaden our knowledge and wisdom. My hope is that everyone will give this subject and exercise some consideration so they may develop a more consistent and honest theory of government. After all, without this self knowledge one cannot truly make correct decisions when they enter their voting booth or when they petition their leaders.

Comments

junko Level 5 Commenter 12 months ago

I believe that in most cases we all know right from wrong but don't always choose good over evil or right over wrong for whatever reason. I believe we base our decisions on our life experiences. I believe that man is not perfect and will choose evil over good and wrong over right sometimes. I also believe that you reap what you sow, and if you are too evil and wrong minded you can have have your hell on earth and hope to die, but can't die. A nation of men also can have hell on earth.

Fay Paxton 12 months ago

Hi Schneider:

Yet another well-written, though-provoking hub. I agree with you and find that I am in the “live and let live” crowd. But I have problems with the Libertarian view.

At what point does one draw the line? When is the government’s duty to provide for the common welfare of its citizens too much government? Besides, if men were fair-minded and functioned with equity, we wouldn’t need any laws. Perhaps we wouldn’t even need government.

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Wil C 12 months ago

Nice article HSchneider. I agree that many people must take the time to figure out where they stand on the issues. Our foreign policy should never take the stance of complete isolationism. Being proactive and working with other nations will ensure our safety. United States had an isolationist stance prior to WWII and everyone knows how that played out. In regards to the civil and criminal justice system, I believe we have quite a ways to go. If we had a stronger community that helped each other there would be less crime therefore less need for jails which also need to be restructured. People leave jails ill prepared to deal with the world and as a result typically end up back in jail. This is where all these social programs really come into play. If we were to take away these programs the inevitable would be a rise in crime. Is that what we want in our country. More and more jails with less and less tolerance. We are all in this together. If our nation is to remain a world power we must unite and lift each other to new levels of awareness and community. About the only thing I could agree with libretarians on is civil freedom, but not at the cost of the nation. Thanks for the great article.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

I believe you are correct in your observation Junko. Most people do know the difference between good and evil but they do not fully examine it when choosing their government leaders. People strive to be good though greed, expediency, or laziness often prevent them from doing so. I still believe it is a very useful philosophical exercise to perform both for one's own life and for judging their government leaders. Thank you for commenting.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Thank you Fay. I am also in the "Live and Let Live" crowd especially with personal actions and behaviors. The line to draw when providing for the welfare of its people is a difficult one to draw. I do believe a government and society should provide enough food, shelter, education, and healthcare to at least survive. What level that is will be up to each community. Giving a person assistance to get a new job is crucial also. Finally if people were fair minded and equitable, capitalism would flourish and we wouldn't have anywhere the near the same need for social regulation that we have now. Social regulation grew out of capitalism's excesses.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

I see we are on the same wave length regarding this subject. I also believe strongly in personal liberties. The Obama Administration is doing a very good job so far in their foreign diplomacy and I believe it is and will continue to pay dividends. Our justice system is out of whack in many areas and much work needs to be done about it. The social programs are crucial to keeping crime down but also for raising people up and attempting to get them out of poverty. You are also correct in stating our country's historic isolationism before WWII. It took a Japanese attack to get us into that war. Being involved in the world and preventing trouble before it starts is much more preferable. Thanks for your great comments.

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Credence2 Level 7 Commenter 12 months ago

Hello, HS, as WilC has said, the world is too small a place for the isolationist stance of an earlier era. I do say that being engaging does not justify interfering in the affairs of others. I believe that U.S. foreign policies has been leaning too much toward the intervention side of the ledger.

"I consider an individual to be most truly good when he or she uses their individual liberty to maximize their own good in concert with maximizing the good of their entire community."

It is not only good but prudent (sensible) if they are large groups of people in distress, the relative few that are not are certainly not going to truly be able to live in comfort. If you see stark differences in wealth in developing nations in the Caribbean, as I have. The privileged few live in walled compounds with security guards. The life of ease comes with a great deal of fear, insecurity and uneasiness that the rabble on the outside will eventually break through and appropriate what it considers its fair share.

What you speak of is not just goodness in a moral sense, but that "goodness" in the areas you discuss preserves us all, and ultimately is the wise and prudent way to go.

As always, thanks again.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Thank you for your insightful comments Credence2. I agree with you that we have been going too far into invading countries in our foreign policy. I think that it is changing though. Iraq is winding down and I believe President Obama will slowly disengage us from Afghanistan through 2014. Libya was a good action with the Arab League then the Security Council taking action. This is what the U.N. is for. You are right on target about it being a prudent good to care and assist the downtrodden in society. FDR knew this. Revolution was a real possibility in the 1930's. The Republicans have forgotten this and are now just the party of the rich and Corporate America and greed. They will pay a heavy price for this. They are on the wrong side.

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Amanda Lacasse 12 months ago

Hi H,

My husband and I, early in our marriage, had an ongoing debate about "good" v. "evil" (these terms being used to describe human actions, not religious doctrine). His position was that people are born good, but get corrupted by society; mine is that humans are born evil, and must fight against this innate mindset and be taught by society how to reign in these inborn tendencies. He eventually came over to my side, more because of his observations of human nature than by my persuasive debate tactics.

As far as government goes, it seems to me that societies are set up, pyramid-style, so that those with great resources can make money from the masses. Government organizes society for the capitalists, which is why tribal societies are so frowned upon and made to "enter the 21st century" whether they like it or not. Try selling your product to a million widely scattered tribes! The type of government doesn't matter - democracy, socialist, communist - they all serve the same purpose, though the trade-off for this is usually a social safety net to keep abject poverty from igniting revolution.

Good work, H., and I think you've given me the topics for my next couple of hubs...

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Your welcome Amanda. I did not think of the question of the nature of good and evil from the birth angle. I think we are born neutral. Experiences, nurturing, and probably some innate DNA properties are determinant on how we evolve on this matter. Just my early thoughts on that. I'm not an expert but it is food for thought. I am going to give that a lot more consideration. You are correct that societies mostly are formed pyramid-style. The moneyed classes on top with it all trickling down. I don't know why but they all end up evolving into that manner. Please explain to me why the Republicans now want to end the social safety net. You are right that revolution could spring from this. Do they and the rich and Corporate America want all of the money? The greed and the unmitigated gall drive me crazy. Thank you for your thought provoking comments.

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Wil C 12 months ago

I believe that once people get past this idea that they are somehow better than others and deserve so much more and realize that every person has a unique ability to offer it's community we will get past this pyramid archetype that seems to always form.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Amen Wil C. Unfortunately I do not see this ending any time soon. You are right. Everyone has something to offer and is worth giving help to get back on their feet. We are a community and we need to act that way and govern that way.

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Petra Vlah Level 3 Commenter 12 months ago

Governments are NOT for the people, but for themselves; politicians elect themselves and serve the interests of the elite; it has always been that way and it will always be the same, no matter who is ruling.

Knowing the right thing to do and choosing the wrong is more evel that being ignorant. I have very little faith in any form of government and I don't believe the voice of the people will ever be heard.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

I agree with you Petra that governments and leaders are often voting in their own interests and not the people's interests. I believe there are 2 major reasons for this. The first is that the influence of money in our elections is so huge that it skews the way our leaders conduct themselves in office. Money from corporate interests and the rich is so huge that politicians feel they cannot ignore them. The second reason relates to the first. People need to know what the candidates are actually saying and standing for. They also must know what they themselves stand for. Then they must know if the candidate's platform meshes with theirs and then vote for who is best. But they must also hold them accountable once they are in office. If they change their policies and follow big money instead, this must be recognized and they must be voted out. Complacency must end. Thank you very much for your comments Petra.

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BobbiRant Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

Great hub. As a sociologist, I must say I Really think that the majority of people Do obey laws. If the majority of people in the world decided Not to obey the law on their own, there is NO police or military force big enough to control them. We see it in small ways when riots begin, as they are hard to contain even on a small scale. We are fortunate most people do choose to behave.

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someonewhoknows 12 months ago

I agree that we are fortunate that most people choose to behave in a civil manner too,up to the point of getting up the courage to do something more positive than just the usual going along to get along mentality.

People in Lybia went along with their lifestyle for forty years until they decided enough is enough.

If,the United states stands for a more perfect union then the people really believe that ,then they should show it,by example.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Bobbi, The vast majority of people do obey the laws and I agree that if they did not our society would be in total chaos. But they would be breaking laws because of the illegitimacy of the government. Lately it seems that our citizens are so disillusioned that they are tuning out to elections and our political leaders. I am afraid that if it continues there will be chaos in our country. People need to become involved and vote for candidates that reflect their good views. Thank you very much for your comments.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Thanks for your insightful comments Someonewhoknows. The American people should stand up more for what they believe. Right now the Tea Party is the only group we hear from and I believe they are way off base. The rest of us need to get involved and make our good views known for the sake of our society and republic.

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Wil C 12 months ago

If Machiavelli is right in saying, "Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" then all citizens should recognize the power grab by the TEA party. Our country does not want extremist policies suited to benefit a small amount of people. Our country wants fiscal responsibility tempered with social compassion. We want corporations to get out of our goverment. We want enviromental issues to be addressed. Why is it so hard for these two parties to understand that? Do we really need to make a left wing party like the TEA party to wake people up? I completely agree with you though, HSchneider, we need to stick it to them in the polls. Let the TEA party know, we are not on the same page.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Right on Wil C. We need to keep our voices raised over these issues and challenge the loud and misinformed Tea Partiers. They were actually formed by politicians such as Dick Armey with ample money from the Koch brothers. Their issues are tax cuts for corporations and the rich and cutting off of all regulations on them. We need to vote the GOP and the Tea Party down in 2012. Keep the healt on them through 2012.

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Mimi721wis 12 months ago

Most people know the difference between right and wrong. I believe the average politician starts off with good intent. Power and money usually interferes with a decent agenda. Paul Ryan would listen to poor people if they had the money to throw at him like the Koch brothers and large corporations. Newt Gingrich finally said something that made sense when he called Ryan's plan radical. Look what happened. Newt's been apologizing and back pedalling constantly since he made that comment. We all see how the price of oil is affecting our economy. Two democrats and practically all of the GOP voted to continue giving subsidies to the oil companies. So, there's no shared sacrifice. Just the working class and the needy paying their fair share. I agree with Ron and Rand Paul on legalization of some drugs. Take away the profit and you will see a change. Every year our youth are exposed to new home made drugs by sleazy people that make really large profits off of them.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Thank you for your comments Mimi. Most politicians do start off doing the right thing and following their consciences but money then comes into play and they buckle. But the electorate also forgets and does not hold these leaders accountable. Then the only influence is the corporate money. We all need to know what we stand for then vote for and hold our leaders accountable. Otherwise the same old nonsense will perpetuate itself.

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Wil C 12 months ago

I agree that we need to hold our politicians accountable. Life long politicians with records of voting against the will of the people need to be ousted. How can we do that? By staying informed and passing the information along to others. 2012 is going to be a huge election. We need to stop this shift to the right that is seeking to eliminate all aid to people, lower wages and send our jobs overseas.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

I could not have said it better myself Wil C. I have been preaching this for a while now on my Hubs and comments. The Republican Governors have way overstepped their mandates by serving their corporate masters and ignoring the people's needs. We need to vote them out in 2012. It's already started in Wisconsin, Jacksonville, Florida, and hopefully upstate NY tomorrow.

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BobbiRant Level 4 Commenter 12 months ago

Having people get outside and get involved would be refreshing. But from the 90's until now, many do not get concerned enough to gather in person. Governments turn to media to lull people because an informed population spells t-r-o-u-b-l-e for government officials. Too many believe if they just buy one more item, they will achieve the happiness they seek. Great hub though.

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Wil C 12 months ago

To true Bobbi. The media as far as I can see is not doing it's job any longer. They spend far too little time reporting on exactly what it is the politicians are doing up there on capitol hill. They like to focus on a few things for a while and then when it seems like ratings are slipping they shift into some sensationalized story and forget about covering what really matters.

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Wil C 12 months ago

What I'm really curious about is how the republican governors believe that by giving tax breaks to rich, trying to lower wages, exporting more jobs over-seas and trying to make it more difficult to vote so they can maintain their position will say to the people in the next election. I guarantee they won't be saying any of those things.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

You are right Bobbi. Most people have not been involved so politicians know they can rely on expensive media campaigns to influence the elections. This way they are now beholden to wealthy donors and corporate interests that pony up campaign funds. The Tea Partiers have been getting involved but even they were organized by career politicians such as Dick Armey and funded by corporate money. People need to be involved and get out and learn about their candidates.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Wil C, The media does look for ratings and do not dig deep on issues unless it is some scandal. The TV news channels also have their own political bias one way or the other. Also I have no idea how any working class person would vote for the GOP in good conscience. They are against all of their interests. You are right. The GOP will lie about them and just legislate as they wish and against their electorate. We must remember this and hold them accountable.

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Wil C 12 months ago

I have noticed that news channel tend to slant far too much in one direction or the other. That is okay though. All we need to do is watch opposing views and do a little online research. I have noticed that they like to piece meal legislation dividing us just enough to get it passed. That needs to end. Everyone needs to realize that any infringement against any one group will eventually be used on another.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

You are right Wil C. MSNBC slants left, FOX slants right, and CNN is more down the middle. I just hope people are not so lazy that they do not do the research and justmake knee jerk decisions.

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Wil C 12 months ago

I totally agree with your assessment of the three major media providers. I just hope people don't buy what fox is selling. I would encourage them to at least do a little online research. Worst case, they don't have the internet, is to talk to some peers who do. Voters need to be reminded at the last possible moment about what the republicans are trying to do. Which means lots of big signs talking about taxes(especially tax breaks for the rich), entitlements(which they want to take away), civil rights(no bargaining allowed says the giant elephant), foreign policy(they don't want Israel to make peace) and they want to stop the youth from being able to vote and people who rent. There needs to be a clear message 2012 that the people want moderation.

HSchneider Hub Author 12 months ago

Wil C, I think that most of the people who watch FOX are already very conservative voters and their minds are already made up. I agree with you that the Democrats and anyone who cares has to be thoroughly involved in 2012 the way the Tea Party was in 2010. The actions that the Republican Governors have taken and the Paul Ryan budget has everyone energized and ready to go. The Democrats upset the GOP in that upstate NY Congressional race with medicare the front and center issue. I wish it was 2012 now.

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Wil C 12 months ago

Yeah, I would say most people who watch FOX are like you said conservatives who just want to find out how to justify their unjustifiable positions. I knew that the Ryan bill would hurt the GOP. Attacking the Boomers Medicare was a huge mistake since they typically vote republican. I am glad they decided to show their true colors though. Now everyone that voted for the TEA party realizes exactly what these people want to do.

THAT Mary Ann 11 months ago

This is such a thoughtful and thorough expression of good ideas and hopefulness that government could ever really give a damn. I appreciate your good writing and your glass-is-half-full desire to see "good" triumph. I regret to say that I have abandoned such hopes and I despair that "good government" turns out to be an oxymoron, despite the wisdom in much of what you write. I will be happy to be proven wrong in my cynical view of government, but, frankly, I don't see that happening.

Voted Up for the writing and the hopefulness.

HSchneider Hub Author 11 months ago

Thank you Mary Ann. My Hub was meant to be more of a primer on how people should look at and research their candidates before choosing and voting. I totally agree with you that government has gone off the rails and looks to have no way back. I do feel that if everyone looked beyond the media soundbites and studied their candidates and voted with the ones that matched their true values, government would be better. Too many people do not even know what good and evil actions are in their own opinion.

HSchneider Hub Author 11 months ago

Thank you Nitin for your very interesting Hub on some of the rituals in your country. I know they are outdated and do not perform any good but old rituals die hard. It takes generations. All societies have them especially when it comes to religion. I do not necessarily consider them to be evil unless they hurt others. They may be evil if it is holding society back. Your society in general is growing and flourishing due to your excellent educational standards. These rituals will probably lessen as time goes by.

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nitin.pant 11 months ago

Thanks for your insight HSchneider. However I would not agree with you when you say that the Indian society is growing and flourishing. People form society and until every Indian villager is getting the basic necessities of life i believe that the society has not even formed,let apart flourishing. Do you know that 17000 farmers commited suicide last year in the state of maharashrta alone primarily because of debts poor irrigation and poverty! How would you say that the society is grown when it has two faces one thats developed and one that is not. I have formed a little poem on my current view on Indian society , here it is : http://hubpages.com/hub/Economy-Rise-in-India

HSchneider Hub Author 11 months ago

Nitin, I meant by growing and flourishing that your economy is growing at a rapid rate. It seems to me that our 2 countries are having the same problem but are coming at it differently. The U.S. has been on the decline in comparison to other nations. We were once by far the largest economy. The disparity between the rich and poor is growing unbelievably fast here. Some leaders want to change the tax structure here where that gap will grow even faster. India is growing very fast after being so poor for so long. But it is obvious from what you said that too many are being left behind. The company owners are getting rich while others starve. I hope your leaders are taking actions to fix this. They are not doing so in my country.

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James Agbogun Level 2 Commenter 10 months ago

I think the everyday man is open to common sense if there is a limit to excessive unsolicited persuation from communication media. But such approach do not necessarily have to be by using Legislation, but by appealing to innate morality as represented in this Hub. Thanks!

HSchneider Hub Author 10 months ago

Thank you very much for your kind comments James. Most people do utilize their common sense when making these decisions. I also wish they researched the candidates a little more and made sure they were in line with their own morality. Legislation is certainly not needed but a certain amount of research and introspection would be ideal.

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James A Watkins 8 months ago

Why not just skip the preliminaries and have the government confiscate all wealth, property, and income in the United States. Then, it can make sure than no one person has more of anything than another. Why should a nuclear physicist make more money than a janitor? That is unfair.

I say we should institute the utopian dream of Karl Marx: everyone with the same house, same car, same food, same clothes, same school, same wealth, same income.

HSchneider Hub Author 8 months ago

James, There was no need for the sarcasm. I was attempting to explain to my readers that an individual needs to determine for themselves what they consider to be a good and an evil as far as governance goes. My definition and yours is much different. I stated mine because it is mine and it is my Hub. My main point of the article was to state that each citizen should determine their own view on this subject while making an educated vote in any election. My corollary point to that is that too many elections are won by sound bites, massive advertising, and gimmicks. This happens on both sides. Each citizen should have a full view of how they want their governance to be and it should match one's own view on what is good and evil. Your use of hyperbole in your comment was amazing. I have NEVER advocated for Marxism or equal pay no matter the job. You should stop seeing these issues in black and white. We live life in the gray areas. Strict capitalism hurts the mass of the citizenry because it operates on the grounds of "To the victor goes the spoils". This extreme needs tempering because there would be too many impoverished people to continue a smooth running society. It could lead to riots in the street. Therefore the question lies on how much should government ameliorate this extreme. You argue for very little and I argue for much more. I am for capitalism but not an unfettered form. Government has a proper role to play the fair referee and make sure its citizens are being treated fairly and are having their needs, not wants, met a a minimal but livable level.

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Sun-Girl Level 2 Commenter 8 months ago

Great and excellent info you actually shared in here which is well shared.Am glad to come across this.

HSchneider Hub Author 8 months ago

Thank you very much Sun-Girl. I am glad you found it informative.

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